Riley's Tenkoff output is lower today, and he seems better to us. They were going to extabate him earlier but decided to wait because there's no air leakage around his airtube. This may be an indication of swelling in his throat which could cause problems if his airtube is removed. Given Riley's up-and-down fluid levels over the past few days that's to be expected. Docs gave him some steroids to reduce the swelling (if there is any) and they'll wait to extabate him tomorrow. There's no reason to rush since he doesn't seem to be bothered by it.
The project manager in me kicked in today and I've begun whipping this place into shape. As Suzanne mentioned in our last post we're calling a family meeting with each of the key players. Scheduling is still TBD but it will probably be tomorrow afternoon. I also talked on the phone today with two outside cardiologists associated with "Another Top Regional Medical Institution" that shall remain nameless but happens to have a tree for a mascot. We knew one of them through pediatric cardiac support groups and the other is a friend-of-a-friend. Both were extremely helpful and generous with their time. Here are some of the things we learned:
- The biggest question right now, and the one we need to ask tomorrow is: why did the Fontan fail - what went wrong? It's essential that the team get the answer to this question and come to agreement because some causes (like bypass lung injuries or rhythm problems) are reversable and others (like fundamental anatomical problems) are not.
- A cath will definitively answer the fenestration question. The last cath showed the surgeon that fenestration won't help because the pressures in the heart are too high (in other words, even if they put a hole in, blood wouldn't flow into the heart). But the last cath was done when Riley was in severe distress and just before he was put on the ECMO. Things might have changed. My consultants suspect that disagreements between the staff members might be due to whether or not people think things might have changed.
- Fenestration is a reasonable option, and is later closed in a majority of cases. If the fenestration can't be closed later, that means it was the right decision. Think of fenestration as being between a Glenn and a Fontan.
- Fontan takedown isn't a death sentence. Estimates that 2% of Fontans require takedown, but obviously for very complicated cases like Riley's it is probably higher. It's an extreme setback, and serious, but we should have hope. Some kids do better with time and it can go on for some time. They will put a special shunt in to keep Riley's O2 sats above the Glenn level. However, nobody will go back and try a Fontan again unless they know for sure why it failed before and are convinced it won't fail again.
- Asplenia is not a contraindication to heart transplantation. Fontan patients are definitely at higher risk, but there is nothing about asplenia that will disqualify Riley from a transplant, should we reach that stage (either soon or in the distant future).
- Second opinions probably won't help much. There's not a huge difference in how institutions approach this problem and the logistics are a nightmare - i.e. we'd need to get another surgeon up to UCSF to see Riley. What we're doing - talking to people and getting informal opinions - is a great approach.
Anyway, the family resource room is about to close so I'm going to end this. If anybody would like to help financially, please donate enough money to UCSF to allow them to expand their paltry family resource room hours. Ugh.
9 comments:
It sounds like you got a lot of your questions answered and Riley's condition is improving. That is wonderful. If he does end up needing the Fenestration, you can look at how well Amanda is doing as a positive outcome of Fenestrated Fontan (she was also very critically ill after her Fontan) Now 6 years later she is even able to snow ski! Keep your chins up and of course you all continue to be in my thoughts and prayers.
Linda
Ken,
"whipping this place into shape" -- I love to hear that! And you're just the person to do it!
It sounds like it's vitally important to know the reason for Fontan failure before doing the takedown. If they can't find the reason, then maybe that's where you might want to bring in another set of experts in house to try to help diagnose why.
But I'm still hopeful that this very slow but steady pace of improvement will continue. I can't help but feel encouraged by the fact that it's been almost 60 hours since the ECMO wean and Riley is still doing OK.
Ken, Suzanne and Riley,
Awesome effort taking the bull by the horns!! Sounds like the "out of the fray" perspectives were helpful. All the while, it sounds like Riley may be taking his own steps toward recovery, too, which is very, very encouraging. Keep up the good work, your true strength is just beginning to show!
Eric, Elizabeth, Elston, and Emerson
Come on Riley, you're doing such a good job - what an amazing little guy he is fighting away. And what amazing parents you are, he is very lucky to have you project manager dad, and you wonderful wonderful mum. We're keeping on praying - good luck with the family meetings, it sounds like you've got the questions you need to ask and I suspect you will both be good at asking them.
I'm looking forward to seeing you all tomorrow - I'll be there around lunchtime with some food (Grampy, it'll probably all be vegetarian I'm afraid - maybe I'll bring a chicken sandwich too to satisfy the meat eater!) Let me know if you need anything other than the food.
All our love
The Lawrences
"whipping the place into shape" must be in the genes. Enuf said..WOW! you two are amazing and I cannot believe the information you have gleaned in a short period of time. We love you and are finding it difficult to concentrate on anything else but our Dear Riley and you. Love you
Grammypeg and Wayne
So glad you are getting some answers and soon to have the family meeting. The outside consults seemed to have helped! I continue to pray for Riley and you guys as you fight this battle. Love you much, Karen
You're all doing amazing, all that information is encouraging although Riley is obviously not out of the woods yet. Hope they get the tube out today and Riley continues to look better. Hope you get your family meeting too and some clarity.
Love- Jonathan and Naomi
Is that an Aunt Linda in the making? (I assume you didn't swear yet)...
I hope you're laugh as much as I am.
Anyway, That family meeting should have happned the minute Riley went on ECMO. That's why I asked when we spoke on the phone who was 'managing him'. Differing opinions in medicine is to be expected, but continuity in the team's information is too. The team should be on the same page when they speak to the family. Is a shame that have waited so long to get everyone together.
Kick ass and take names.
-Dave
Hey everyone, checking and seeing Project manager's extrodinare! Hail to the Mother, Father and Toddler in Cheif! Ken, Suzanne and Riley Uberalis! Sending lot of love- Stine & Dave D.
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